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1 Bama
2 auburn
3 LSU
4 Arkansas
5 Ags
6 MSU
7 Ole Miss


Arkansas gets a 1st place vote?????


Full report from CBS Sports below:

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It appears to me, if there ever should be a year for Sumlin to rely more on his defense (and I believe there is good reason), that this is it. Lacking such an emphasis, the voters may be right and we may be looking for a new coach.
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Well rhennessy, I absolutely do not think there has been a non-emphasis on defense by Kevin.


When he first got here, I don't recall (I may be wrong) him harping about the SEC being a line-of-scrimmage league. But he recruited like it was pulling DL and OL in his first couple of classes.

But since the 2013 class, I find where we have signed 69 offensive players (including 26 OL) and 69 defensive players. ST showed 3 players signed. Several of the offensive players have migrated over to the defensive side of the ball.

He has hired John Chavis as defensive coordinator, and he has hired Ron Cooper as DB coach. Cooper and new defensive analyst/linebackers specialist Tyrone Nix have a combined 21 years of experience as DCs themselves.


In interviews, Kevin has repeatedly talked about the shortfalls and the needs along the defensive side of the ball. I believe he has done it without throwing anyone under the bus. That tells me he is not making excuses and is taking ownership of the problem.



No, do not even think that Kevin shows any sense of Leach at tt syndrome of offense first, last and only...
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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2017 6:17 pm 
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Failing CBS with more fake news. Whistle
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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2017 7:37 pm 
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Every year they put the pigs in front of us. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2017 9:06 pm 
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Agdad,

I never said Sumlin doesn't care about defense, and I never implied that he hasn't tried mightily to recruit good defensive players. My reference to emphasis involves his game strategy, which seems much more oriented to outscoring the opponent than to keeping the opponent from scoring more than the Ags. I believe the key to the coming season's success is more of the latter than he has emphasized in the past several years, when his defense has spent too much time on the field and been worn down both within games and, more especially, during the season.

You may disagree, but I believe this year's team is less able than previous year's teams to simply outscore opponents.
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Oh, okay rhenn.

I think you are right from words I hear thrown around in interviews. I think we fully expect to try and have a more power running game than we have employed in the past. I still do not think we are ready for a power run game totally, and will use some slight of hand, so to speak. But I do think the plan will be to run more.

But then again, where does tempo fit into this? I guess we can go tempo, slow it down and go again...I think tempo is important to Mazzone...and we know Kevin likes it.

I think the OL will be better, I think some DLs have lost a bit of experienced talent, maybe we will have a TE/HB that can block better. But I don't think we have everything that bama, auburn, lsu has right now.

If that is what you mean, yeah, I can see that.


I do see our front 7 on D being a little better, OVERALL. We have SEC bodies, more so than in the past. I hope the new conditioning coach, with his position centric program, has our guys better able to play their position and play harder for longer. I think our depth, in numbers anyway, will be better.



And word is we are looking to probably play a standard 4-3, but mixing it up with good doses of 3-4, emphasizing more and varied blitz schemes. Maybe, if these work, we will be harder to figure out...
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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2017 11:01 pm 
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Agdad,

One comment about a question you raised. I'm not suggesting we slow the tempo, but rather employ the run game and power more to be more consistent, as in getting to third-and-short a higher percentage of the time.

Thank you for listening.
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Hmmm...we lost to 4 teams on that list (7 teams including us). Makes us less than average IMO.

I think the media sees us for what we are...we lost to a very middle of the pack B12 team last season at the end of the year and finished lower middle of the pack in the SEC W. I'm not sure why everybody gets up in arms...we are what we are.
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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2017 7:32 am 
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I don't see anyone up in arms. Exactly how many times has the pig beaten us?

Exactly!!
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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2017 7:56 am 
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rhenn, that was just thinking on the keyboard. I just naturally think, not necessarily so, that a power running game is generally a slower tempo. I was wondering what a real power running game from Mazzone and Sumlin might look like.


Pig? In the Bielema years? Zero, MK.


I think that blk answered the questions we have about the media. In this case, the SEC media. Link to Article

Everybody not named bama has all these warts. But the media thinks that they magically have all the answers in place on campus that can plug the holes. A&M is doomed to rinse and repeat.

I think the majority of the media just does not choose to do research. I was listening to XM the other day, and they were discussing the fact that Huber was the QB we were plugging in...

Maybe Jake wins the job, but that is not where the local discussion is located. They talk about our bookend DEs, but fail to mention they were both played injured the second half of the year. We have a plethora of options there right now, and just maybe these guys keep their legs healthy all year.

They all fail to mention much about Chavis. Has John suddenly got stupid?


I get what we have done the second half of the year lately. But the MS teams, arkie, lsu and auburn had similar fates to varying degrees in their seasons last year.

Note what the more national CBS guys said about A&M. They picked us behind bama, auburn and lsu. 4th, not 5th. If that plays out during the season, we might be 1 win/2 wins from challenging for the West Championship. If we begin at 5-0, 5-1 again, who knows?


And despite our low depth, QB problems last year and injuries that came afterward, we did make the playoff poll last year before the injuries cropped up.


And just for the record, two players told me last year that playing our schedule they were sore after all the non-SEC games. They hurt after every SEC game.

The SEC is different. Depth can kill. On paper, this team looks to have the best potential depth we have had since the 90's.


All I am saying is that there is a lot of hope we are better, maybe much better, than what some people are pushing.
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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2017 1:42 pm 
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Hmmmm... "sore" after non-con games, but "hurt" after SEC games. Think that's about as descriptive as it gets. Very believable, too. Which, as AgDad points out, points to roster depth being a MUST HAVE, not a luxury. Gig 'em
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Agdad78 wrote:
The SEC is different. Depth can kill. On paper, this team looks to have the best potential depth we have had since the 90's.


And this is the biggest issue many keep choosing to dismiss. We had a lot of key injuries last year in the 2nd half of the season. Heck, we had around 9 starters, if memory serves, hurt and/or out for the bowl game. Yet we still had a shot at winning on the last drive. This year, as Agdad has pointed out, our depth is much deeper than it has been in years. So when that sec schedule is in full swing, we hopefully, will be in a much better position than in years past.
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In my worst case record I have us with 5 wins, so can't argue with 5th place finish projection. Even my best case record likely wouldn't have us higher than 3rd.

Pig and Auburn are the swing games. I am not 100% sold on Auburn hype.

Ole Miss still has good players and will be hard to beat on the road, hell we lost at home to a bad Rebel team starting a true fish QB in his first game ever.

At LSU, looks like 0-6.

If we perform well above expectation, maybe a 3rd place SECW finish, 4-6 is more likely.
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Think

Ol'Miss and MSU have young, returning QBs. Auburn, LSU and A&M have to replace theirs. I might not be so quick to put them at the bottom.
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CardinalandMaroon wrote:
Think

Ol'Miss and MSU have young, returning QBs. Auburn, LSU and A&M have to replace theirs. I might not be so quick to put them at the bottom.


Rebel QB Shea Patterson looked very good vs. A&M, not so good vs. Vandy and Miss. State last season.

I'd add Ole Miss to Pig and Auburn as swing games to our 2017 fortunes. Bama and LSU are most likely Ls, probably Florida as well. We should be able to count Miss. State and USC as Ws.
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PostPosted: 17 Jul 2017 5:59 pm 
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If Alabama, Florida and LSU are Ls, we had better be able to count on more than just MSU and USC as Ws.
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rhennessy wrote:
If Alabama, Florida and LSU are Ls, we had better be able to count on more than just MSU and USC as Ws.


Well that's why I have Pig and Auburn and Ole Miss as swing games. UCLA is too but I'm only talking conference games. I don't see 8-4, 5-7 to 7-5 and if it's 5-7 State and USC are the likeliest SEC Ws.

Hope I'm wrong and we go 8-4, but think this season will be a struggle due to QB on O and DEs & LBs on D.


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We'll see vs UCLA. I think our O will be OK as we have good talent at QB and I expect a good OL. With our RBs and WRs that will help the QB.

D is the bigger concern.

I'm sure somehow we'll end up 8-5 Laughing
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PostPosted: 18 Jul 2017 12:18 pm 
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^

Someone wrote:

Quote:
I'm sure somehow we'll end up 8-5




Is dat u, fla ag Question


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Agdad78 wrote:
^

Someone wrote:

Quote:
I'm sure somehow we'll end up 8-5




Is dat u, fla ag Question


Laughing


Nope, me is 11-1. Book it. Gig 'em
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Gadzooks, 11-1?

I thought I had ODed on maroon Koolade with 10-2 and a win over LSWho.

I think 11-1 is a good number.
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Rover wrote:
Gadzooks, 11-1?

I thought I had ODed on maroon Koolade with 10-2 and a win over LSWho.

I think 11-1 is a good number.


Rover,

Don't be fooled. FlaAg slipped some bad-juju Gator dung in his Pollyanna Peace Pipe and has been higher than a 12 yr-old taking extra whiffs of nitrous oxide while the dentist turns away. Wink Cool

Point being, he's been on a tear lately sounding like the uber Pollyanna fan. Instead, methinks a mild form of mockery is laced somewhere within. Anxious Shame on you Big Grin "Caveat Emptor" while reading his schtick, er, "stuff." Laughing
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